Service Timing Change Proposal FAQs

What is happening to the 8:45 Service?

The 8:45am service will remain as is. We see this as providing a more traditional service on a Sunday and those who attend are an incredibly important part of our church family.

The communion during this service will mainly be led by Ollie but will be helped by Dave and our new Associate Rector when they are appointed.

The talk at this service may be delivered by speakers from the congregation who we are seeking to raise up.

What about the Evening Service?

We are planning to return to regular evening services as they're an important opportunity for extended worship, ministry and additional teaching opportunities. We're possibly looking into how we can use this service to maintain our link with Heriot Watt by holding one evening service there once a month.

Will the set-up times for the services change?

The set-up time for the Livingston service is 8am and this will not change. We are proposing that the set-up time in Balerno also doesn’t change, so that the teams can join the refreshments before the service.

What will be the change to drop off times for kids groups?

For those in Balerno the timings of the kids drop off will be 10:50am (starts at 11am) and in Livingston it will be 9:50am (starts at 10am).

Which service will be Streamed as we go back to two morning services?

We will only be live streaming the service from Balerno which will mean Livingston set up will revert to how it was pre-pandemic, which was far simpler than at present.

Will we still have the Welcome Table?

We will continue to have a welcome table in Balerno which people can come to during the refreshments time or at the end of the service. Having this available before the service starts provides an opportunity to give visitors a really good welcome from the start of their time with us.

Who are the teaching team for the morning services?

Since March Ollie has been building a new teaching team for the morning services which is just about at full strength. At present the morning service speakers are Ollie, Dave, Andrea Wigglesworth and Sarah Tomb. When we appoint the Associate Rector, they will also be part of the teaching team so they can be known in both Livingston and Balerno. The 8:45 and the evening services provide opportunities to allow others in staff or from the congregation to speak. Some of these have previously spoken at the evening service, or have spoken on one of our services (including Mighty Mungos) during lockdown.

Are we asking to much of the speaker?

Before Covid the speakers on a Balerno week would speak at the 8:45am service and then go on to speak at the Balerno 10:30am service. One of the service leaders would often have to lead the 8:45am service and then go and speak at the 10:30am Livingston service. So, in terms of asking the speaker to speak twice, this is nothing new.

However, it is important to us that we take care of our speakers. In light of this if this proposal goes ahead, we’ll plan to keep reviewing this and will introduce a dedicated driver if it’s needed.

Ollie really loves to communicate God’s Word and it is what energizes him. On the weeks he is preaching he intends to preach at the three morning services, but he does not expect any of the other speakers to do so. The 8:45 service then provides an opportunity for others to speak.

How can those in Livingston talk to the speaker about their talk?

Although the speaker will not be available to talk at the end of the Livingston service there will be plenty of opportunities throughout the rest of the month to speak with them as they will be service leading in both Livingston and Balerno. The speaker is also available by email which is probably the most common way the congregation gets in touch about the talks.

Is there enough time between the 2 morning services for the speaker not to feel rushed?

There is 45 minutes for the speaker to get from Livingston to Balerno. This allows 10 minutes for the speaker to leave and arrive at the different venues, and 35 minutes to get from Livingston to Balerno. It normally takes around 20 minutes to drive from Livingston to Balerno which leaves 15 minutes for any delay. We would have a parking space allocated for the speaker next to the front entrance at Balerno.

What about the Service Leader role?

Ollie will be doing service leader training with the service leaders, so they become more confident on how to lead the ministry times. Before the service the speaker and service leader can agree on the direction of the ministry time which the speaker can start before leaving. It would then be up to service leader to carry out the rest of the ministry time. This practise is often used in Word and Spirit churches and is already happening and is exciting to have more people involved!

What about times of fellowship?

In Balerno having 30 minutes to have refreshments before the service starts allows for new people to receive a good welcome and gives a good time before the service for us to chat as a family. There will still be 30 minutes at the end of the service if people want to stay and chat as the time we need to be out of the school (1pm) has not changed.

This is something which will intentionally monitor closely as creating opportunities for connection and community is really important.

In Livingston, refreshments, and time for chatting to others will continue to be at the end as was previously.

Will this proposal still allow for Communion services in both locations?

We will still be able to accommodate communion services at all three of the morning services. At present we still need permission from the Bishop to have communion in Livingston due some wider pastoral issues within the parish and this is not something affected by the new proposed timings.

Is this a permanent move?

If we decide to go ahead, we would be trialling this model from 6 months to a year and will keep it in review. We may conduct a survey after 6 months to see how people are feeling. If it is clearly not working, we will go back to how it was or try something else.

Returning to Physical Gatherings FAQs

Here are a list of current Frequently Asked Questions and our responses. This page will be updated as new questions are asked so please do keep checking back in. 

FAQs

Do I need to take a Lateral Flow Test (LFD Test) before attending a service?

The Scottish Government and the Scottish Episcopal Church are strong encouraging everyone attend a service to take a Lateral Flow test before attending. LFD tests can be ordered online or picked up from a variety of places including most pharmacies.

Can we sing in housegroup/prayer cell? 

Technically ‘YES’. However, these groups run in people’s private homes which are often small spaces when compared with a Sunday morning venue. Singing is proven to be one of the higher risk activities for spreading covid and so it may be advisable to take some precautions such as wearing a face covering, singing outside, or deciding to use an alternative form of worship initially with 1 or 2 people singing over the rest of the group. Leaders and hosts will make decision based on how the group feels, and we ask that people support their leaders as they make these decisions. 

There are no guidelines from the government on meeting indoors as a church group, but guidance on meeting in private homes can be accessed here.

 

I don’t want to be inside with someone who is unvaccinated, can you tell me the vaccination status of people I am near? 

NO. Being vaccinated is not a legal requirement nor a condition of attending a church service or meeting. Whilst we would encourage people to take the opportunity to receive a vaccine when offered, we will not be, nor are we permitted to ask people about their vaccination status. 

 

Can we hug people at the end of a service? 

Technically ‘YES’ however, not everybody is comfortable being hugged or being in close contact with others. This can be for a multitude of reasons and people’s personal space must be respected. I know that some are excited at the prospect of hugs, high fives and handshakes, but others are incredibly anxious about this. Please check with people before making physical contact and respect their answer and space. 

 

Can we have cakes, coffees and biscuits at services yet? 

Technically ‘YES’ however the senior team have decided that in order to mitigate the obvious risks associated with sharing space, cakes and drinks for an extended period of time, that we will not be serving refreshments at any of our services for the foreseeable future.

 

Will we have paper notices? 

NO. We are going to be changing how notices are sent to the congregation. From the 22nd August notices will be looking at how we can use Churchsuite to email the notices to everyone in the congregation who has ‘opted in’ to receive church emails. If you are not signed up to Churchsuite emails yet then please contact penny.moise@stmungos.org for details on how to do this. 

 

Can I bring a guest to church?

YES. We are going to be using a unique Test and Protect QR code to login to venues and so there is no requirement to ‘pre-book’ places. We would love for you to bring along guests! 

 

Will there be any courses running this term? 

NO. We believe that it is right to really focus on the core rhythms of church life this term as we all adjust to meeting back in person again. This means that we are asking people to prioritise Sunday services, housegroups and prayer cells. 

 

I’m not in a housegroup or a prayer cell. How do I join? 

If you are interested in joining a housegroup or prayer cell then please email kate.yates@stmungos.org for more information. 

 

Will my child/young person need to wear a mask? 

The current legislation states that children under 12 are now exempt from wearing a mask/face covering. Young people in youth will still need to wear a face covering in certain situations – more details on what these circumstances are will be communicated to you by the youth team. 

 

Will we be able to lay hands on people for prayer ministry? 

Technically ‘YES’. In services we will initially be only asking people to stand where they are to receive prayer ministry in order to reduce the number of people walking past each other. In housegroups and prayer cells, because there is no requirement now to physically distance, provided there is consent given from the person receiving prayer, then you can lay hands on people for prayer ministry.

Can our Housegroup use one of the church buildings to meet? 

POTENTIALLY. We are looking into the feasibility of allowing housegroups to use the church buildings in this way and are working through how we might manage the bookings and opening of buildings for this purpose. We recognise that for some people meeting and singing in a lounge may make some feel anxious and that meeting in a building where a greater degree of physical distancing can take place would help to alleviate that anxiety. We will communicate to housegroup leaders if and how this might be accommodated, whilst also recognising that not every group is going to be able to meet in this way due to the number of buildings and number of housegroups. 

 

Will I need to take a lateral flow test before attending housegroup or a church service? 

POTENTIALLY. At this point we are not asking people to take a lateral flow test before attending one of our services, however if the government guidelines on this change then we may have no choice. Housegroups take place in people’s private homes* and as such it is their prerogative to ask people entering their home to take a test before doing so, it is one way that we can practically Be Love to our housegroup leaders and those in our group. The current Scottish government advice requests that every adult in Scotland should take a lateral flow test twice a week. Information on this can be found here. With this in mind, some people may decide to take a test on the day of housegroup and the morning before coming to church.

 

*If your housegroup leader indicates that they wish people attending to take a lateral flow test before meeting then this would still be applicable if using our church buildings.

 

What happens if someone tests positive after attending a service? 

If a person tests positive after attending a service then we have a duty to engage with Test and Protect. The positive result will be logged on the system and the person will receive a call from a ‘Contact Tracer’ who will ask them questions about who they have seen and where they have been since they first experienced symptoms. At this point the person should state that they have attended a St Mungo’s church service and give David Lyons, 07772002651 as the contact person and number for the service. David will then receive a call from the Lothian Health Board and discuss with them the safety measures in place, room layout and other details about the service. The relevant Health Board, in connection with Test and Protect will then contact those people impacted. DO NOT give names of people at the service. This is to allow the full process of Test and Protect to take place and the health board to ascertain who, if anyone, should be contacted.  

 

If someone tests positive during or after a service will St Mungo’s be in contact? 

NO. The Scottish Episcopal Church have stipulated that no churches should contact their congregation to inform them of a positive case at one of their services. This is to allow Test and Protect to perform their role as quickly and as efficiently as possible. For clarification on why this decision has been taken please contact David Lyons and he can explain where this decision has come from and who you can talk to about it. 

 

If there is a positive case in a service, will that change how you run future services? 

POSSIBLY. We recognise that things can change quickly and are ready and able to adapt our physical services as required. This may mean that there is a need to enforce physical distancing again, or switch to online services for a week, or keep masks in place for longer than legally required to by the government or something else. Each service that we run will have an updated risk assessment, which will take into account all the various factors surrounding it. These factors include things like current infection levels in the area, advice from government, predicted number of people attending, methods of recording attendance among others. Keeping the congregation safe is a priority for us. 

If I test positive after attending a service can I tell people I was sat near?

YES. This is your personal information and you can share it with whoever you like. If you decide to let the church know, then this information will be kept confidential to the senior leadership team only as we are not permitted to let other people in the congregation know.

What happens if someone tests positive after attending an in-person housegroup?

If you test positive after attending housegroup then anyone who was within 2m of you for any period of time will be classed as a 'close contact’. You are obliged to let Test and Protect know anyone who may fall into this category and they will decided whether to contact that individual. If someone from your housegroup tests positive and informs you of this, you are not legally obliged to self-isolate or go for a PCR test until instructed to do so by Test and Protect. People may decide to take regular lateral flow tests, or book in for a PCR test if they know they are a close contact and likely to be contacted.

Is St Mungo’s talking to the Scottish Government about the current restrictions? 

SORT OF. St Mungo’s is a member of the Scottish Episcopal Church, who have an advisory group, who are in communication, via some of its members, with the Scottish Government. The Advisory Group has been running throughout the pandemic and have been a consistent source of advice and support for the church as we have navigated through this pandemic. No-one on the current St Mungo’s senior leadership team sits on this group, but we are highly confident that there are people on the group who understand very well the needs of our church due to their current or previous roles. 

 

Why are we not back in Balerno High School yet? 

Very simply, the councils have not yet opened up the option for us to let the schools. The earliest that we might return to BHS is now Sunday 3rd October as Edinburgh City Council have stated that there are to be no external lets in the first 6 weeks of term. Our desire is to return to meeting in Balerno as soon as we are able to as being connected to the local community is important for us and to move regular services outside of Balerno would require permission from the Bishop. 

 

Can I come to all the in person services? 

NO. We are asking that you only attend the service which is specifically for your normal Sunday congregation. This is because the 2 congregations operate in slightly different ways and we feel that as the congregations begin to re-connect it is important for them to begin as they intend to move on. We realise that this means that there will be a number of empty seats at both services, but believe it is important to also allow volunteers from both congregations to get involved in serving once more. We also recognise that there are significant and fundamental differences in how the 0-18 groups run, including how the children and young people are grouped. It would be unfair on the primary group from Livingston, for example, to go from being a tight knit group of 5 children to being part of a group of over 50 if they joined in with Balerno. Taking into account the needs of our young people is really important and another reason we believe, we should keep Livingston and Balerno congregations running as separate. 

 

Will there be physical distancing at the 8.45 service? 

YES. This congregation will restart on Sunday 5th September and Sunday 19th September and we are planning to have 1m physical distancing in the Sanctuary. This will mean that seats will be limited with those members who would traditionally attend this service being given 1st refusal on a place. Many of this congregation have struggled to connect as we’ve moved online and they are an intrinsically important part of our church family and so it is important for the senior leadership team that we find a safe and sustainable way for this congregation to restart. 

 

I am still incredibly anxious about attending in person, is that ok? 

ABSOLUTELY! We know that there are many reasons why people might not feel able to attend a physical service at the moment and want anyone in that place to know that we still believe that you are a vitally important and significant part of our church family. It is one of the reasons that we are working hard to make sure that the Livestream is high quality and allows those watching to still feel connected and part of what is happening for as long as that is needed. 

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Update on Services

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The below information updates you on what it means for St Mungos as we move 'beyond level 0' and how it impacts plans as we head into the new term.

 

GENERAL COVID UPDATE
- Physical distancing is now no longer a legal requirement, however we will have physical distanced seating available for those who wish to use it. This can be booked via the ChurchSuite service email.
- Face coverings are still a legal requirement during services, and it’s especially important to wear these correctly whilst singing. 
- Test and Protect is still an important part of managing outbreaks. We will be asking people to 'check in and out' using the QR codes in the venues.
- Whilst we encourage people to take the Covid vaccine where possible, proof of vaccination status is neither required or requested to attend church services/gatherings.

 

Please remember that even if you are comfortable with the removal of physical distancing others may not be. Please be gracious to one another and don’t assume everyone feels the same as you do. Always check permission before entering someone else’s personal space and if you feel uncomfortable with how close someone is to you, then it is absolutely ok to ask them to step back. This will almost certainly feel strange for a while, but it’s a way we can Be Love towards one another by respecting each other’s anxieties as we come back together. 

SUNDAY SERVICES*
- All physical services in August and September will be held at 10.30 and streamed live to YouTube, replacing our pre-recorded 'Church Online' service. 
- Services will alternate for congregations. On the week when your congregation is not gathering you can watch the live-streamed service on YouTube, which will also include an episode of Mighty Mungos.
- You will not be required to pre-book seats for morning services, however if you require an accessible seat or wish to book a designated physically distanced seat then you can do so via the ChurchSuite service email.

- If you require an accessible seat then these can be booked via the ChurchSuite service email. 
- 0-18 groups will be available at all physical services and Mighty Mungos will also continue on the weeks when your congregation is not gathering.

- The dates for the Balerno congregation are: 22nd August*, 5th September and 19th September and we hope to be in Balerno High School as soon as it is available. 

- The dates for the Livingston congregation are: 29th August, 12th September and 26th September and we hope to be able to meet in St Margaret’s Academy as soon as it is available. 
- Please aim to arrive between 10 and 10.15 to enable the auditorium to be filled safely, for everyone to ‘check in’ using the QR code and allow us to start the live stream promptly at 10.30.

- The services will last for approximately 1hr 15minutes. 

- Prayer Ministry will initially be done by asking people to stand where they are as opposed to come to the front.

- Please only attend the service for your congregation at this time. 

- The 8.45 service will return on Sunday 5th and Sunday 19th September in Ladycroft, and our current plan is that it will run weekly from October.
- There are currently no plans to hold an evening service in August or September.

 

* Our 1st service for the Balerno congregation is on Sunday 22nd August. Unfortunately due to all the electrical work happening at Balerno High School and the various contractors working in the building we have not been able to access the building as planned and test all the equipment. Therefore we have made the decision that this service will be held at Heriot Watt University. We are disappointed that we still are not able to meet in our usual venue, but thankful that in Heriot Watt we have a wonderful alternative, with rooms available for a full 0-18 programme too. 

0-18
- There is provision for all young people aged between 0 and 18 at all physical 10.30 services.
- Pre-booking is not required, but we will take a register on the morning.
- Primary aged programs in both locations will now be called 'Mighty Mungos Live' and run for P1-P7 all together initially. There will be a 6 week teaching series with the same teaching being used online and in-person. 

- All young people in pre-school and Primary groups will need to be dropped off and collected. There is not currentlya ‘self-registration’ option for upper Primary.

- Youth will be out of the service from 10.30 during the Sunday morning services initially. This is to make both the main service and youth run as smoothly as possible as we start back.
- Young people over the age of 12 are still required to wear a face covering on Sunday mornings, but they do not need to physically distance. 
- Youth Friday nights will resume on Friday 20th August in Ladycroft. Pre-booking is no longer required.

- The young adults who attend Pioneers are a vital part of our church family and we are excited about them joining with us in the main service. 


HOUSEGROUPS & PRAYER CELLS
- These groups run in private homes and therefore hosts and leaders will make a decision together on how the group will operate. 

- Where these groups meet in church buildings then leaders will need to speak with David Lyons or Wendy Brown to find out what mitigations are required. 


Please continue to be gracious, patient and encouraging towards your housegroup and prayer cell leaders. They have worked phenomenally hard, often at great personal sacrifice, to keep groups connected over the past year. Whilst some people are keen to return to ‘in person’ meetings, others are more anxious and would prefer to remain on zoom for the time being – it is therefore likely that many groups may decide to run in a hybrid way, with some weeks meeting in person and other weeks on zoom. Whatever the leaders decide the important message is that we are continuing to aim for ‘connection not perfection’. These groups will continue to play a vital role in helping the church family stay united together. 

 

MIDWEEK WORD LIVE (MWL)

- MWL is returning! A likely start date is 8.30am on Wednesday 18th August, but this will be confirmed. 

- There will be a variety of different people leading the session and bringing a word. 

- MWL is a way to create connection together during the week, if you’ve never joined then why not tune in?! 

 

FAQs

 

Can we sing in housegroup/prayer cell? 

Technically ‘YES’. However, these groups run in people’s private homes which are often small spaces when compared with a Sunday morning venue. Singing is proven to be one of the higher risk activities for spreading covid and so it may be advisable to take some precautions such as wearing a face covering, singing outside, or deciding to use an alternative form of worship initially with 1 or 2 people singing over the rest of the group. Leaders and hosts will make decision based on how the group feels, and we ask that people support their leaders as they make these decisions. 

 

I don’t want to be inside with someone who is unvaccinated, can you tell me the vaccination status of people I am near? 

NO. Being vaccinated is not a legal requirement nor a condition of attending a church service or meeting. Whilst we would encourage people to take the opportunity to receive a vaccine when offered, we will not be, nor are we permitted to ask people about their vaccination status. 

 

Can we hug people at the end of a service? 

Technically ‘YES’ however, not everybody is comfortable being hugged or being in close contact with others. This can be for a multitude of reasons and people’s personal space must be respected. I know that some are excited at the prospect of hugs, high fives and handshakes, but others are incredibly anxious about this. Please check with people before making physical contact and respect their answer and space. 

 

Can we have cakes, coffees and biscuits at services yet? 

Technically ‘YES’ however the senior team have decided that in order to mitigate the obvious risks associated with sharing space, cakes and drinks for an extended period of time, that we will not be serving refreshments at any of our services for the foreseeable future.

 

Will we have paper notices? 

NO. We are going to be changing how notices are sent to the congregation. From the 22nd August notices will be emailed to everyone who has ‘opted in’ to receive churchsuite emails on a weekly basis. If you already receive Churchsuite emails then you do not need to do anything, if you are not signed up to Churchsuite emails yet then please contact penny.moise@stmungos.org for details on how to do this. 

 

Can I bring a guest to church?

YES. We are going to be using a unique Test and Protect QR code to login to venues and so there is no requirement to ‘pre-book’ places. We would love for you to bring along guests! 

 

Will there be any courses running this term? 

NO. We believe that it is right to really focus on the core rhythms of church life this term as we all adjust to meeting back in person again. This means that we are asking people to prioritise Sunday services, housegroups and prayer cells. 

 

I’m not in a housegroup or a prayer cell. How do I join? 

If you are interested in joining a houesgroup or prayer cell then please email kate.yates@stmungos.org for more information. 

 

Will my child/young person need to wear a mask? 

The current legislation states that children under 12 are now exempt from wearing a mask/face covering. Young people in youth will still need to wear a face covering in certain situations – more details on what these circumstances are will be communicated to you by the youth team. 

 

Will we be able to lay hands on people for prayer ministry? 

Technically ‘YES’. In services we will initially be only asking people to stand where they are to receive prayer ministry in order to reduce the number of people walking past each other. In housegroups and prayer cells, because there is no requirement now to physically distance, provided there is consent given from the person receiving prayer, then you can lay hands on people for prayer ministry.

Feedback from Magnitude from the youth

Feedback from Magnitude from the youth

St Mungo’s youth had the joy of being part of Magnitude 2021! Magnitude, formally Soul Survivor, is normally a huge youth camping event hosted at Lendrick Muir. This year we had a covid safe online version. We were able to watch our hosts ‘live’ from Lendrick Muir, while at our own Ministry Centre. This year’s Magnitude

Mungos Merch

Mungos Merch

Back in the Spring, Ollie shared with us the vision for this year

That together as we take up the call of Jesus to; Abide in His love, Be Transformed by the Holy Spirit, Go with the Good News of the Kingdom of God. We will be able to Be Love, as we are loved.

Ollie's Institution Service

Ollie's Institution Service

On Wednesday 23 June 2021, a number of the congregation gathered together with Ollie’s family and friends to attend his institution service and see him formally being “installed” as the Rector of St Mungo’s Church. It was a special evening of celebration in St Mary’s Cathedral and an opportunity for many of the church family to gather together in person

OM India COVID Appeal Update

OM India COVID Appeal Update

Last month we were able to respond to OM’s covid response in North India with a donation of £5,000 to the Nicodemus Trust who are a new ministry which OM supports. Here is a video sharing the impact of food and medical relief to communities isolated during a second wave. We are so grateful for the generosity that St Mungo’s continues to show towards our mission partners both at home and overseas.

Keeping in Touch

Keeping in Touch

July will be a quieter month at St Mungo’s as we all take a refreshing breather. Do keep an eye on the church website at www.stmungos.org for any new information about changes in lockdown restrictions that might affect us as a church. This is the place to check for any new events being planned or other items of interest